Xbox Live Market Place - General Discussion Thread.

[MartyG]

This thread is for discussion of Xbox Live Market Place Updates.

For a list of updates see this thread (http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/showthread.php?t=52461).

[huxley]

Tomb Raider demo looks so lush when you compare it to the PS2 version (same demo) analogue control feels nice and tight, water fx look good. It still has that "not so reel" look to it which makes a good Tomb Raider in my eyes.
Welcome back Lara - Not sure if the £50 asking price for the 360 version is worth it when Game have the PS2 version on their add boards for £29.99.

[tom-nook]

Game are doing the 360 version of Tomb Raider for £39.99 so I suppose an extra tenner is probably about right for an extra bit of next-gen spit & polish...

[EvilBoris]

Hmmm I've got £40 of gamestation credit note.

Price match!

[Geezer]

I cancelled my £29.99 play.com 360 preorder after reading some impressions, maybe I shouldn't have done that :s

[tom-nook]

I cancelled my £29.99 play.com 360 preorder after reading some impressions, maybe I shouldn't have done that :s
If it's as short as most people say there'll probably be a ton of 'em up for sale in the trading folder by Monday;)

[MartyG]

It seems to play quite sweetly from the demo, definitely getting back to its roots of the first two games (which I really enjoyed playing actually, especially the second one). It seemed to lose its way after that. I'm not totally convinced by the whip/hook type thing yet, maybe a bit more gameplay with it will show it's not a gimmick. Looks pretty nice, nearly on a par with those old lucozade ads - well, as I remember them anyway :)

I may well look for a trade forum copy myself - too much software purchases this month to justify another full price game.

[huxley]

Game are doing the 360 version of Tomb Raider for £39.99 so I suppose an extra tenner is probably about right for an extra bit of next-gen spit & polish...
Sold then.
2 more impressions chap who Lara has chats with = annoying as ****! Music is pretty good.

[Family Fry]

Im really tempted by it after having a go on the demo on PS2 and now 360, 360 version looks so clean and very shiny.
Good to see Crystal Dynamics get this game back on track, nice bit of platforming/switch/box/puzzle/shooting action, watching the trailer on marletplace too shows nice range of everything.
£40 aint too shabby, might do a part ex for it.

[dc-arena]

FTW!
Really enjoyed that, definetly a return to form for the series if that demo is anything to go by. Looking forward to getting it tomorrow now, superb stuff.

[Extra Terrestrial]

I think the Tomb Raider demo is the most 'complete' demo I has been released on the Marketplace becuase it gives you a nice introduction to learn the moves/controls then starts to throw a few puzzles and gun fights near the end - it had a bit of everything and feels like the most Tomb Raider Tomb Raider since the original.

That said, the Call of Duty 2 demo was great if a bit demanding, throwing you right in the heat of a battle!

[robrymond]

Really enjoyed that. Never been a fan of the series, but that just makes me want to buy the full version.

I spent a good 45 minutes with it, including working out that last puzzle. And how easy it was in the end!

[Rossco]

Wow that was ace. I'm sold!! Its just so Tomb Raidery!!!! :D

[Family Fry]

Changing subject slighty they have added he Kameo Co-Op Pack onto marketplace, lets you play co-op over live.
If anyone still has kameo and wants a co-op game send me an invite.

[Rossco]

I might do this as I never did get round to finishing Kameo. Just couldnt get into it much, seemed like too much of a chore. I want to love it though. :(

So I'll give this co-op a try over the week hopefully.

[HumanEnergy]

They have also added two new costume packs for Kameo added at 200 points each:

Fright Warrior Pack - 1 new costume for each of the warriors in a Halloween style
Masquerade Pack - New costumes for Kameo such as pirate, etc.A few people have been reporting a bug with these new costume packs, it seems that if you've previously bought the Winter Warrior Pack, downloading these new packs might disable it. Thought ppl would like to know that before downloading the new packs.

Edit: sorry for originally posting this in the wrong place, I need to read through threads more carfully before I post :s

[melenko]

is the tomb raider demo available on UK accounts? i cant find it anywhere... or trailers for movies or anything >.<

[Myth]

Yup, I have it on a UK account

[melenko]

o.0 where about do i download it from?

[chopemon]

marketplace/demos and trailers/all new

it should be below the battlefield trailers

[IanE]

Marketplace, all New Game Downloads (press right), it's under Tomb Raider Legend. :P

[MartyG]

Looks like Galaga and PacMan are coming to XBLA

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2758_en.html

[C']

Namco in Pimping Out Galaga and Pac-man Again Non-Shocker!!!!!!

Why is it every time Namco do retro it's always the same few titles over and over again.

I'd sell my left bollock for them to sort out a version of Rave Racer on any format.

[Silvergun X]

Galaga with an online scoreboard might just take over my shoot-em-up life though.

[Yoshimax]

Looks like Galaga and PacMan are coming to XBLA

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2758_en.htmlIf they're true to form (the marketplace team not Namco) we should be seeing them circa Xmas 2007 :)

Tomb Raider demo - wow - Very, very impressed with it - if it's as short as people say I'll be keeping a beady eye on the sales thread for a copy !!

[DavidFallows]

I'll pwn you all at Pac-Man if I'm still alive when it comes out.

[TheForce]

I'd sell my left bollock for them to sort out a version of Rave Racer on any format.
yeah, that's what I'm talking about ..... a version of RaveRacer ! that would be an arcade classic I would buy for sure, and if Sega would see that... they for sure couldn't stay behind and release ScudRace !
not much chance though ever seeing one of these 2 on a console...

[Yoshimax]

Yeah but why would Namco take time to put rave racer up there when they can do Pacman/Galaga in about 1/10th of the time and we still all jump up & down with glee !!!

There's no incentive for them to do it coz we're all lapping up the 24 year old shit !! They'd have to charge a good bit more for RR or Scudrace too as they'd sell hee-haw copies of Pacman at 800 points if RaveRacer was there at 1200. (imo).

[C']

Yeah I’m sure Namco’s output on XBL Arcade will not stray very far beyond Pac-Man, Galaga and Rally-X. Maybe even Rolling Thunder if we’re lucky. Not that I feel these are bad games, it’s just the same ones they put out on every single retro release they put together.

[TheForce]

I know for sure that I wont buy Pacman and Galaga, they were/are great games but I can't be bored playing them again and again....

I would pay however to be able to have the pleasure of playing RaveRacer and ScudRace again.... they are by now also arcade classics in IMO...

[Yoshimax]

Thing is the marketplace started quite well because it was new (at least to us) but they need momentum - pretty soon there are Unreal3 powered games going up and multiplayer over live titles - next to those the likes of pacman are going to be throwaway novelties and will need to be priced as such.

I think at the moment things like Final Fight / SF2 etc are a good "era" to aim for - Going forwards I'd love to see the 3D racers etc materialise - imagine Virtua Racing :D

[melenko]

riiiiight, tomb raider isnt on any list.... this is really weird.

ignore, killed all the family settings and its showing now

[glazza]

Amped Demo up.

[Yoshimax]

Amped Demo up.
First "late" demo I'm glad to see - I hope many people play it, see what it has to offer and then pick it up cheap - it deserves it.

[EvilBoris]

I downloaded part 1 of Karas from the jpn marketplace last night. its fantastic seeing some 720p anime, especially robot samurai anime.

[angelx]

First "late" demo I'm glad to see - I hope many people play it, see what it has to offer and then pick it up cheap - it deserves it.yeppers it is stupidly late but if some people are tempted by this its only a good thinghttp://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/smile.gif

[Daragon]

I downloaded part 1 of Karas from the jpn marketplace last night. its fantastic seeing some 720p anime, especially robot samurai anime.

I think thats quite amusing, the Japanese get anime to download from the marketplace to show off the high definition bits and pieces, and what do we in the UK get?

Natasha ****ing Beddingfield and some trashy yank on a snowboard - Come on M$, we deserve better!

[MartyG]

With regards to the Bankshot Billiards patch, they've fixed some of the glitches as well as given it a 3D option:

-Ranked live games causing a freeze or crash

-Player match games now show the other players aiming aid level
-Default time for ranked mode games was changed to 60 seconds
-When a timer expires in a live game the following player has ball in hand
-Shot panel now shows the buttons that must be held down to activate the various features (english, spin, power)
-200 games achievement now given away when 200 games are played instead of won (this is inline with the description now)
-Single player leaderboards cap the display to hours now instead of a single hour
-Music tracks would not sync to defaults when a client quit (in certain conditions)

-3D camera modes (so this is only a 2D game, right?)
The 3D modes are accessed via the D pad during gameplay:
Up: Reverts to the top view camera
Down: Static camera (zooms out from location of shot)
Left: Dynamic camera (follows action)
Right: Cue ball camera (use the left analog stick to rotate around the cue ball and zoom in / out)

I thought that the aim level was whatever the host's was set at? Could explain why in some matches I've been totally ass-kicked, even though I was doing pretty well.

Also seems to have reset the leaderboards - apparently I've only played 1 game of Euro 8 ball now; bye bye my top ten placing :/

[MJ]

Other Media
Pirates of the Caribbean Trailer
Cars Trailer
Are these trailers now on the UK Marketplace?

[MartyG]

All stuff listed in the updates only thread is on the UK market place unless otherwise stated, but those should have been listed as (US Only) ;)

[MJ]

All stuff listed in the updates only thread is on the UK market place unless otherwise stated, but those should have been listed as (US Only) ;)
Sorry and thank you. :)

Does anybody know when the UK will get those trailers? I would rather have those than Natasha Bedingfield videos!

[mazza]

Just downloaded the PGR 3 speedpack. All very sweet and I can't wait for the tournaments to get started. For full list of the bugs fixed check out major nelson's webpage. Only one gripe with the download, they never included an extra garage so you can no longer own all cars in the game.

The new cars are awesome and breath much needed life back into the game, now all we need are some extra tracks.....

[HaHaUK]

Just downloaded the PGR 3 speedpack. All very sweet and I can't wait for the tournaments to get started. For full list of the bugs fixed check out major nelson's webpage. Only one gripe with the download, they never included an extra garage so you can no longer own all cars in the game.

The new cars are awesome and breath much needed life back into the game, now all we need are some extra tracks.....

Thought they were out on Monday?! Off to download :D

[Bib]

Yeah cheers for that mate!

Just finished the PGA download. Off to get me new PGR3 motors now:)

[MartyG]

Feck sake, they didn't plan that update very well did they? It's not possible to buy all the new cars as there's not enough space in the garage without selling the ones you've already got.

Not. Very. Clever.

[HaHaUK]

Feck sake, they didn't plan that update very well did they? It's not possible to buy all the new cars as there's not enough space in the garage without selling the ones you've already got.

Not. Very. Clever.

You can use all the cars in Playtime without buying them.

:)

[Family Fry]

Question for PGR3 update has it fixed the damn pro online racer achievement?
I got ALL the medals needed for that achievement bar "finish all races" medal which i did actually do.

[MartyG]

You can use all the cars in Playtime without buying them.

:)
You can't use them in career or online though. There should have been an additional garage with the update.

It simply wan't properly planned. I mean, did they not look at the game and go. Hmm, there's only three free garage slots if people have bought all the cars.

No, they went: Feck it, no-one will notice.

Actually, we did.

[andy]

Question for PGR3 update has it fixed the damn pro online racer achievement?
I got ALL the medals needed for that achievement bar "finish all races" medal which i did actually do.


Fixed:) - just done a few laps on 'race against the clock' and was given the achievment when i ended the session.

[Daragon]

2nd Oblivion add-on out today.

Arcane University Orrery - Your thoughts?

[MartyG]

My thoughts?

Shite - it took me 10 mins to complete and I got nothing worthwile for my trouble.

Shite tbh. Total rip off.

[EvilBoris]

Yeah get powers every month you visit it.

[Spatial101]

I always thought it was a slight bout of insanity on Bethesda's part to start charging for mods.

With Morrowind the best and most enjoyable stuff was all fan made (apart from the expansion packs which are a different thing altogether).

[EvilBoris]

Perhaps, but at least its only like £1.50

[MartyG]

Maybe - but it's not good value for money even at £1.50 - this is a rip off. If this is the type of paid for mod we're going to get for Oblivion, I'll not be getting anymore. If I'd of known what the content of this was properly, I wouldn't have bothered. Unlike with a game, there is no refund, I can't take it back to the shop

Sorry, but there's no way anyone should be paying for this - DO NOT BUY THIS RIP OFF MARKET PLACE MOD.

[Daragon]

They should have released all 3 mods together in one package for about £2/£3

At least the latest one represents better value for money than that piece of horse shite (you see what I did there...)

[MartyG]

Maybe - I'd of been quite happy if this quest gave something decent, either weapon, skill or ability wise, but it doesn't.

It simply is not worth paying for, and if this is an example of the paid for content then screw Bethesda - I really thought they had more comitment to gamers than that.

Go for the PC version with the fan based mods.

Bethesda are taking people to the cleaners charging people for this.

[Akira]

your rants have been noted by 1up.com marty! check their front page story on this. :D

[Rossco]

I dont get why you think its such a rip off?

I got about 10,000-15,000 worth of weapons and armour, including some cool enchanted stuff. What level are you Marty? Maybe the lower level you are, the less you get, the same with most quests and dungeons really. I'm at 24 and I thought it was ace. :)

[MartyG]

Level 28 - I get more from dungeon raids, and they take longer. It's a rip off because you're being charged £1.50 for a tacked on side quest.

The stuff on 1up is what I posted on the official boards, so yeah, it is a quote from me and it's exactly right. Based on this content I won't be buying further mods from market place for Oblivion.

I purchased the car pack for PGR3 @ 400 points, which is far better value. Geometry Wars at 400 points gives you hours of gaming. The Orrery "add-on" takes ten minutes to complete, and you get a spell.

This is what you have to do kill 2 bandits at 3 camps and go to that locked room in the arcane university and wait a day, then push a button. - that is why it's a rip off.

Think about it this way, if you had to pay £1.50 for each quest in the game, it'd have cost you over £200. Still think it represents good value for money?

[Rossco]

Well for me it was because like I said, I got about 10,000+ worth of stuff from the quest, and my guy is now fully kitted out in enchanted glass armour.

You win some, you lose some. I liked it. :)

[Brats]

I purchased the car pack for PGR3 @ 400 points, which is far better value. Geometry Wars at 400 points gives you hours of gaming. The Orrery "add-on" takes ten minutes to complete, and you get a spell.

Think about it this way, if you had to pay £1.50 for each quest in the game, it'd have cost you over £200. Still think it represents good value for money?

Depends on how you look at it. I'd argue that for the 60+ hours of gameplay that Oblivion has given me, I would have paid over £200 for the experience. I believe that the comparison is not that the add on represents bad value for money, but that the main game represents extremely good value for money.

You're also looking at it in a very matter of fact way, as in what does this add on give you in terms of stats/additional powers. I liked the idea of the Orrery purely because I like these arcane machines from the ES universe(which fills in some back story with the whole series). I suggest that if you bought this quest expecting a mega longsword with Fire damage + 60 then you bought it for the wrong reason.

[EvilBoris]

Considering that the game cost £50 and had 200 quests to complete is incredible value for money, they could of easily justified charging more for the game. But obviously that's only if you decide to measure a game purely based upon the quantity of missions.

Consider that the download contains new speech, new models, new animations, new textures and it doesn't seem that unrealistc for them to release it for

I don't think that £1.76 is that unreasonably really, I thought switching on the orrery was pretty damn cool.
I think being able to go back to that machine once every game month and get a new power is quite useful anyway

[MartyG]

The problem is this will happen more and more. Games will be intentionally stripped down in order for content to be sold via market place after the initial game purchase. If developers see that people are willing to lap these things up, they'll go K'ching!

I agree that Oblivion represents very good value for money, all the more reason why this mod falls well short of the quality of the rest of the game. It's far from 10/10.

The description of this mod was intentionally vague, I'm sure had it been properly described less people would have purchased it.

We should expect more value, lest we are doomed to an ever shrinking gaming experience unless we pay for the additional content.

An example ( this is only an example, and I'm not saying this will be the case, just that it's pointing in that sort of direction ), the new SiN game will be episodic: http://www.sinepisodes.com/index.php?news

Now it could be that the length of the episodes are equivalent to say, the entire game of Doom on the PC. Or it could be that rather than deliver SiN as a complete game, the episodes are merely chapters.

Fine if this content is value for money, I have no issues with paying for it - but I don't think it's unreasonable for game mods to provide something over the original content, and for that content to be of the same high standard.

[EvilBoris]

That's only one way of looking at it though, its all very easy to turn around and say "That should of been in the game in the first place" , but at what point does this stop? They could of held back the game another 6 months and included these quests, but then people would of complained. They could bring out an expansion pack in 2 years time and Charge £30 for it, but are you going to complain that you shouldn't have to pay? You wouldn't argue that Besthesda have a nerve for not including the entire Oblvion game inside of Morrowind so why quibble over £1.50

At what point do you stop saying that additional content shouldn't be chargeable? The fact is it all costs time and money to develop and besthesda are trying to make money out of us, they don't make a games just for a laugh, it is made so it makes them money.

[MartyG]

That's not what I'm saying, it's right that additional content be charged for - I'm saying the the content should provide value for money.

IMO even at £1.50 this does not represent good value for money.

The expansion packs that were released for Morrowind (Bloodmoon and Tribunal), represented excellent value for money and added a lot to the game. I was more than happy to pay for these things.

The Orrery Quest is the equivalent of a ring tone for your phone. If you are happy to pay for that type of thing, fine you're free to do so, but I don't believe the Orrery Quest was sufficiently described: you didn't know what you're getting until you bought it, and unlike if I purchase a game and it sucks, I can take it back, I can't with this mod.

[Brats]

I don't think anyone could argue that Oblivion has been 'stripped down'.

It is clear that these add ons were being developed before the game was released, but one presumes at the time when testing, pressing and distribution were going on. In my opinion it makes sense, often developers have things they want to include in a game but they get left out because of time pressure. So a line is drawn where the director says ' no more'. But now the developers can carry on expanding these ideas after the event.

I think the description of the mod was vague so as not to act as a spoiler. If the description had said 'Beat some bandits to get the parts to the Orrery and get a new spell' I would have been disappointed with the give away. But it is easy to find out what is in these mods. If you're disapponted, then wait until others download it and a more detailed description is available.

As Bethesda have said, this is all new territory and they are dipping their toe in the water on both the type of mod and the cost. Therefore it is good that users are vocal in their feedback. I just hope the negativity doesn't swamp the positivity and put off developers from ever bothering with add ons.

I think the pricing strategy that Rare used with Kameo was a good idea. Charge for the extra fluff like downloadable costumes, but for the online co-op mode they gave this away for free.

[EvilBoris]

I can see that may be annoying, maybe you could just consider paying the £1.50 extra as a way to thank besthesda for making such a good game in the first place :hmm:

[marcus]

Isnt that what the money you hand over in the store to the cashier is for?

[EvilBoris]

Isnt that what the money you hand over in the store to the cashier is for?

Nah, I handed mine over because I am running a money laundering scam from within a GAME store.

[capcom_suicide]

I can see that may be annoying, maybe you could just consider paying the £1.50 extra as a way to thank besthesda for making such a good game in the first place :hmm:
Hmmm I'm not sure I agree with that.

On the one hand I think the point of Marketplace is that it is "Optional" so if there is content you pay for, then you it's your choice to buy it, and as previously noted, you can wait and hear if the download is any good before purchasing.

On the other hand, do we want to encourage the industry to lock parts of games away, so that we have to pay extra in order to play the whole game? I feel the price of 360 games is pretty damn high as it is. Added to the fact you can get the superior PC version for 25 quid, and a whole host of free mods, then it seems the xbox 360 community is being unfairly treated.

Therefore is it not the duty of gamers, and independent games sites to stand up against this?

Well it all depends on the content doesn't it.

I'd be happy to pay for a further 4 CO-OP missions on GRAW, if that is the only way the developer can finance the extras. But at the same time, for 50 quid, I would have liked more than 4 missions in the first place!

I think Marty is right to try and stand up against this, as it gives me a bad feeling about the potential misuse of marketplace by games publishers. A strong negative reaction to paying for limited content seems justified.

But then we all have different thresholds of tolerance for these matters, so it comes as no surprise that some folk can't see the harm in splashing a few gamer points on a small mission, where as others fear an unwelcome change to how we buy and pay for games in General.

What next? Pay to download a game for a fixed time window only? Just like the new DVD online services?

[Soi]

Well, despite some people's negative comments, I'll be buying the mod. At £1:50, I'd be willing to give anything Oblivion related a go at the moment. TBH, they deserve another £1:50 for that game.

[J0e Musashi]

Seems like the marketplace is going downhill. Any content should have to be extra to the game, not something that is just locked away. The free demos are a great way to see if you actually want to purchase a game, but again they should have to come out before a game goes on sale or its just a waste of time IMO. This SF2 malarky is starting to wind me up aswell. I got 2 DOA4 sticks and I bought 2100 points just for this game. It's taking far too long (I check nearly every day to see if its up yet) I know they're having problems with it, but how hard can it be? It's not the first fighter to go online afterall. Nobody gives a **** about Bedingfield or the MI:3 trailer either, just give us more games, and sooner.

[Akira]

meh,i can deal with £1.50.I'll download it and i probally won't even tackle the quest until much later,so it's all good with me.

But i can't see how this affects the overall score of the game.Oblivion was/is a near perfect game without this add-on,so i don't see how this changed that.

[EvilBoris]

Seems like the marketplace is going downhill. Any content should have to be extra to the game, not something that is just locked away. This SF2 malarky is starting to wind me up aswell. I got 2 DOA4 sticks and I bought 2100 points just for this game. It's taking far too long (I check nearly every day to see if its up yet) I know they're having problems with it, but how hard can it be?

Why is it People have this attitude?
The marketplace has plenty of stuff and Is a brilliant idea, if it wasn't there at all you wouldn't be able to complain.

And there has only been 1 game so far that has downloads that unlock existing content on a game disc, that is ridge racer. It is free. Everything else is totally external to the disc you own.

YOU bought those sticks, YOU bought those points. Nobody forced you to.
If they released it tommorow with hideous online lag, no doubt you'd be one of the first to bitch about it. You can't have it both ways.

[Brats]

Seems like the marketplace is going downhill. Any content should have to be extra to the game, not something that is just locked away.

All the paid for content is extra. The only locked away content has been the cars in Burnout Revenge and RR6 and these were free.

[Bleeders]

I must admit, the whole Marketplace/Additional Content issue hasn't really bothered me as such, since it's a matter of choice, however, I would've liked to have seen bug fixes before new content though.

[J0e Musashi]

Why is it People have this attitude?
The marketplace has plenty of stuff and Is a brilliant idea, if it wasn't there at all you wouldn't be able to complain.

And there has only been 1 game so far that has downloads that unlock existing content on a game disc, that is ridge racer. It is free. Everything else is totally external to the disc you own.

YOU bought those sticks, YOU bought those points. Nobody forced you to.
If they released it tommorow with hideous online lag, no doubt you'd be one of the first to bitch about it. You can't have it both ways.

I bought these items in time for the original supposed release date of March. It keeps being pushed back. Chew on that Becker.

[J0e Musashi]

All the paid for content is extra. The only locked away content has been the cars in Burnout Revenge and RR6 and these were free.

That's fair enough so far, but it still seems like an open invitation for firms to lock parts of a game and then have you pay for it and believe that it is extra. MS should have strict policies in regards to downloadable content is what I'm trying to say. That RR6 thing is mighty unfair too. What about the people that don't have internet?

[EvilBoris]

It keeps being pushed back. Chew on that Becker.

NO WAY!
A RELEASE DATE FOR A GAME.........SLIPPED?


:dry:

That RR6 thing is mighty unfair too. What about the people that don't have internet?


What about people that don't have a 360?
What about people that don't have hands?
What about blind people?

[J0e Musashi]

NO WAY!
A RELEASE DATE FOR A GAME.........SLIPPED?


:dry:

It's somewhat different no? Especially as its a 1992 title we're talking about. :zzz:


What about people that don't have a 360?
What about people that don't have hands?
What about blind people?

I don't get it, did you try and make a funny?

[EvilBoris]

It's somewhat different no? Especially as its a 1992 title we're talking about. :zzz:

I don't get it, did you try and make a funny?

Obviously it's beyond you that they have to strip it down an implement online play, not an easy task for a 1992 title.

The games developers don't have to accomodate for every person on the earth, if you don't have the internet, who's problem is that? It certainly ain't namco's.

They have made it quite easy and flexible enough for people without net connections, ever heard of a memory card?

If you paid attention you would also know that some developers do make an effort for people that don't have the internet. You can simply take your memory card to a demo kiosk and download it from there.

You gonna tell me now that people shouldn't have to buy a memory card?

[Brats]

That's fair enough so far, but it still seems like an open invitation for firms to lock parts of a game and then have you pay for it and believe that it is extra. MS should have strict policies in regards to downloadable content is what I'm trying to say.

Maybe they do. Anyway I think any firm that tried to do this would get so much bad press that it just wouldn't be worth it. Downloadable content has been around since the early days of Live and no company has done this yet, so I don't see why they would suddenly start now.

That RR6 thing is mighty unfair too. What about the people that don't have internet?

The RR6 cars could be unlocked in the game. The unlocks just gave you more cars available to play online with at the start.

The Burnout cars can't be unlocked in the game, but you can take a memory card to a shop kiosk and download the unlocks.

Which is pretty good really and from EA too, the firm that most people would expect would charge for extra content.

[J0e Musashi]

Obviously it's beyond you that they have to strip it down an implement online play, not an easy task for a 1992 title.

The games developers don't have to accomodate for every person on the earth, if you don't have the internet, who's problem is that? It certainly ain't namco's.

They have made it quite easy and flexible enough for people without net connections, ever heard of a memory card?

If you paid attention you would also know that some developers do make an effort for people that don't have the internet. You can simply take your memory card to a demo kiosk and download it from there.

You gonna tell me now that people shouldn't have to buy a memory card?

SF2 Hyper has been complete for ages now, hence it showing up on friend lists. How long does it take to sort out some decent netcode? This is a big firm after all.
Free or not, I still think its not right that content was locked away on RR6.
No you shouldn't have to go and buy a memory card and then go to your nearest kiosk (which is probably on the blink judging from 99% of the ones I've come across) just to get some stuff which you should have from the get-go. That is just a huge marketing ploy to squeeze extra pounds out of Joe gamer. This isn't 1992, gaming isn't shady anymore, this sort of practice shouldn't go on nowadays, its lazy and unfair. I guess you're Playstation generation so you wouldn't know about that.

BTW, I'm having a bad day today. O2 are trying to **** me over and try as I might I cannot get this Slug X cart to stop displaying graphical errors.

[J0e Musashi]

The RR6 cars could be unlocked in the game. The unlocks just gave you more cars available to play online with at the start.
How do you go about unlocking them in the game? I've gone through RR6 100% laurel leaf and all, but not these cars.

[MartyG]

You gonna tell me now that people shouldn't have to buy a memory card?
They shouldn't have to if they've got a HD attached :)

Please play nice people.

[EvilBoris]

Well they can take their Hard Drive to a friends or wait until the content appears in an offline form i.e. on a magazine

[Keith]

Why should you have to buy a magazine?

*Flees* http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/happy.gif

[El Leone]

Big moan fest eh? Ah well, all I can add is that people are never happy and are just gonna complain either way.

[TheForce]

I'm happy ......


;)

[Soi]

Seems like the marketplace is going downhill. Any content should have to be extra to the game, not something that is just locked away.
[snip]
Nobody gives a **** about Bedingfield or the MI:3 trailer either, just give us more games, and sooner.

Snap judgement city.

If a racing game came out that said on the back of the box that it included 10 cars to play with, I wouldn't post here complaining that I was conned. I mean, 10 cars isn't loads, but if the game said it only had 10 cars when I bought it, then I have no cause for complaint. I didn't have to buy the game.

Then if 10 more cars were available to buy via the Marketplace, fans of the game would be happy. 10 more cars to play with. Great. How would it matter if those cars were on the game disk from the outset or downloaded?

Either way, you would be getting something extra over what was originally avertised to you. What is the problem with that?

As for your comments about trailers, movie trailers is big selling point of the system for some people. My other half can't be bothered downloading film trailers off the web. She wouldn't know where to look and hates viewing video on our laptop screen. It is as easy as pie on the 360. She watched the Narnia trailer about 5 times... So, contrary to your suggestion, she gives a **** about them.

[Brats]

How do you go about unlocking them in the game? I've gone through RR6 100% laurel leaf and all, but not these cars.

Then you've got the cars. They are just basic models that you win when you unlock specific sections of the World Explorer. As I said, they were released as unlocks for people who wanted to only play online but wanted more than just one car in each class at the beginning.

This wasn't additional content that was locked away, it was stuff already in the game that people could make available earlier if they so wished.

No you shouldn't have to go and buy a memory card and then go to your nearest kiosk (which is probably on the blink judging from 99% of the ones I've come across) just to get some stuff which you should have from the get-go. That is just a huge marketing ploy to squeeze extra pounds out of Joe gamer. This isn't 1992, gaming isn't shady anymore, this sort of practice shouldn't go on nowadays, its lazy and unfair. I guess you're Playstation generation so you wouldn't know about that.

Try Atari VCS generation :rolleyes:. Making assumptions (and getting them wrong) is all you seem to do on this thread.

If you haven't got Live, then you're more likely to have a core pack which you need a memory card for anyway. And besides, you don't need a Gold service, just the silver service will suffice. So if you're a non-broadband using 360 owner with no memory card, then you miss out on a few extra cars that you can only use in multiplayer mode anyway. Big wow.

[PeteJ]

I have no anger regarding the microtransactions, but I have to say that I agree with Marty.

From what I've seen of the Oblivion construction set it isn't that difficult to use (particularly for someone who has been using it for four years, not including the four years of Morrowind dev time) - they should have added in a quest-line rather than a single quest. The potential is huge; a journey into Morrowind or another ajoining country, an adventure into a long-lost city or location similar to Pale Pass. They wouldn't need to update the main map in the slightest, because there are a handful of quests already in the game that do not actually exist anywhere. Could even reuse textures and speech and rely only on the text of books and notes.

I do like the idea of extra content, even if they charge...but I'd like to see them put in a bit more effort.

[Brats]

Isn't the next download (the Mages's tower) supposed to be a whole new quest line?

[Jebus]

Snap judgement city.

If a racing game came out that said on the back of the box that it included 10 cars to play with, I wouldn't post here complaining that I was conned. I mean, 10 cars isn't loads, but if the game said it only had 10 cars when I bought it, then I have no cause for complaint. I didn't have to buy the game.

Then if 10 more cars were available to buy via the Marketplace, fans of the game would be happy. 10 more cars to play with. Great. How would it matter if those cars were on the game disk from the outset or downloaded?

Either way, you would be getting something extra over what was originally avertised to you. What is the problem with that?

As for your comments about trailers, movie trailers is big selling point of the system for some people. My other half can't be bothered downloading film trailers off the web. She wouldn't know where to look and hates viewing video on our laptop screen. It is as easy as pie on the 360. She watched the Narnia trailer about 5 times... So, contrary to your suggestion, she gives a **** about them.I don't think its quite that though...I feel that if I don't buy these Oblivion updates, then the first game I rate 10/10 in donkeys years, isn't the complete version because it's missing the new bits they bring out...

I know we don't HAVE to buy them but in cases like this, I don't think thats quite the point.

[Soi]

No, surely that is the point.

If you rate Oblivion as 10/10 in the state that you bought it in, how does extra content make what you originally bought worse?

For me, huge game (200+ hours) + more stuff + small charge = good.

[Jebus]

No, surely that is the point.

If you rate Oblivion as 10/10 in the state that you bought it in, how does extra content make what you originally bought worse?

For me, huge game (200+ hours) + more stuff + small charge = good.You've completely misunderstood me :) I'm saying, that despite me feeling the game is a 10/10...to have the COMPLETE experience I'm gonna have to pay for each update as and when they see fit to release them. To have this game completely complete (as it were) I may have to pay another £10...or whatever, who knows how many updates there will be.

I'm certainly not complaining about the level of content because I've only ever played one game longer (which will be eclipsed easily by Oblivion I think).

Personally I'm not a fan of "paid for" updates full stop, but I know I'll cave in and buy the Oblivion ones because I want to complete this game 100% and not having them will always feel like I didn't explore everything the game had to offer.

[J0e Musashi]

Then you've got the cars. They are just basic models that you win when you unlock specific sections of the World Explorer. As I said, they were released as unlocks for people who wanted to only play online but wanted more than just one car in each class at the beginning.

This wasn't additional content that was locked away, it was stuff already in the game that people could make available earlier if they so wished.

I didn't have the cars at all. I now every car, but only through racing online and downloading some of them. I had finished RR6 completely before I got my Live running and was missing quite a few cars, it wasn't until I got online that I could access the rest of them.

Try Atari VCS generation :rolleyes:. Making assumptions (and getting them wrong) is all you seem to do on this thread.

If you haven't got Live, then you're more likely to have a core pack which you need a memory card for anyway. And besides, you don't need a Gold service, just the silver service will suffice. So if you're a non-broadband using 360 owner with no memory card, then you miss out on a few extra cars that you can only use in multiplayer mode anyway. Big wow.

I don't follow you here. People may want every car no? (They can be used in single player too btw). This is a discussion no? I was discussing. I'm not entirely happy with the service I'm offered, am I not allowed to mention this in the thread or something? I didn't see "positive comments only" anywhere
:rolleyes: Whats with the VCS comment too? That post was aimed towards EvilBoris who was apparently born in 1985...

I originally commented on the back of another post I had read in regards to extra content. My main concern is that I still cannot play SF2 Hyper. I enjoy the free demos, but have not yet felt compelled to d/l any extras barring a music track on RR6. I don't see what the big problem is here.

[Jebus]

This is a discussion no? I was discussing. I'm not entirely happy with the service I'm offered, am I not allowed to mention this in the thread or something? I didn't see "positive comments only" anywhere
:rolleyes:To me, being a consumer is about being allowed to pick and choose and when you do choose, moaning like **** about everything you aren't happy with. At the end of the day we are all paying a great deal of money for the system, the games AND a monthly subscription to the Live service...if someone has a problem with it I think they should have every right to complain about it.

There's certainly enough positive comments to balance it all out anyway! I really (personally) don't see any reason to get heated about it :)

[Soi]

Ok, I see what you are getting at now. You (like me) are weak willed and will buy anything related to a game you like ;)

Paid for content doesn't bother me so much now, because now I have a proper job, I don't mind paying more for extra content. I'm not loaded, but have the means to splash a fair few £1:50s around to buy more Oblivion quests if you see what I mean. I would have hated the idea aged 16 though.

[Jebus]

Ok, I see what you are getting at now. You (like me) are weak willed and will buy anything related to a game you like ;)

Paid for content doesn't bother me so much now, because now I have a proper job, I don't mind paying more for extra content. I'm not loaded, but have the means to splash a fair few £1:50s around to buy more Oblivion quests if you see what I mean. I would have hated the idea aged 16 though.Indeed, very weak willed. It's been a long, long...****ING long time since I've felt this way about a game, just everything about it is incredible and it's normally the type of game I despise!

I know it sounds silly but £1.50 isn't a lot in one hit but if you have to start doing that more often for updates...I mean you're already paying for the live subscription every month as it is which can be a stretch for some people.

But yeah, I'm a collector so anything related to something I love I'll buy.

[MJ]

I'd be happy to pay for a further 4 CO-OP missions on GRAW, if that is the only way the developer can finance the extras. But at the same time, for 50 quid, I would have liked more than 4 missions in the first place!
Likewise.

If these things are developed after the fact, then I don't mind paying a small premium for the extra work, but if they were developed before the game was released during the game's development time, then we shouldn't have to pay for them as that's what the RRP is for.

I think what Bungie did with the Halo 2 maps worked well and they all ended up being free eventually.

[Brats]

I didn't have the cars at all. I now every car, but only through racing online and downloading some of them. I had finished RR6 completely before I got my Live running and was missing quite a few cars, it wasn't until I got online that I could access the rest of them.

There are twenty three cars unlocked by racing online (one car every ten races), but they are all there. There is no need to download the cars, they ARE all unlockable in the game.

I don't follow you here. People may want every car no? (They can be used in single player too btw). This is a discussion no? I was discussing. I'm not entirely happy with the service I'm offered, am I not allowed to mention this in the thread or something? I didn't see "positive comments only" anywhere

Where did anyone say you couldn't be negative? As you point out this is a discussion, meaning we have the right to completely disagree with you, no?

Whats with the VCS comment too? That post was aimed towards EvilBoris who was apparently born in 1985...

Sorry. That wasn't clear to me in your original post.

[J0e Musashi]

There are twenty three cars unlocked by racing online (one car every ten races), but they are all there. There is no need to download the cars, they ARE all unlockable in the game.

I'll have to take your word on this I guess. I don't fancy playing through the bloody thing again to find out, but I know I never had all the cars when I had finished the World Explorer.

Where did anyone say you couldn't be negative? As you point out this is a discussion, meaning we have the right to completely disagree with you, no?

Of course. I suppose the marketplace is not something that everyone agrees on which is fair enough, but I felt a little bit like I was being frowned upon because of what I had written. It's a good addition to the 360, but I would like to see it run a little differently. I would be a much happier chap if I was able to play SF2 now as the continued waiting is starting to get to me.

[Spatial101]

Microsoft has announced a PDZ demo is coming - it'll let you play the Outpost map either alone or split-screen / co-op over Live and will also include a test of a new multiplayer map, Plaza.

There'll also be an update which adds new bot content for the main game adding eight new bot personalities and four new maps.

No info yet on whether the new maps and bots will be free.

[MartyG]

Surely everyone who wants PDZ has played it already?

*Sigh*, With such huge potential I can't help but start to think that Market Place is being totally under-used atm.

I've bought up most stuff on the arcade, but I can't remember the last time this was updated.

[EvilBoris]

No info yet on whether the new maps and bots will be free.

Basically we've got


Autoupdate including 8 new bot types : forced free update

Demo of the first level : Free

Plaza Map : Free

Rooftops,Trench,Gasplant maps : Premium Pay content

more: Premium Content

[Spatial101]

As has been said before, Arcade has so much more potential and there are some titles which should be on there, but it is criminally underused at the moment.

That whole `official MAME` rumour that's doing the rounds is a juicy concept (even if it's probably as true as the moon being made of cheese - it originated from Sp0ng)

edit:- if that's right Evil B then I know I won't be paying for any additional maps. I haven't touched PDZ since the start of the year.

[Family Fry]

Trailers of the new DLC on perfect dark zero
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2817_en.html

[EvilBoris]

I think I'm one of about 3 people in the world who actually quite likes PDZ , both offline and online.
People should of given it more of a chance, although I'm hoping that the AU fixes some fundemental flaws like the poor aiming.

[anephric]

I had PDZ for three days at launch before shifting it in disgust, but seeing as it's about for £20 used and my mate's whinging at me for Live co-op action, I might pick it up again...

[Akira]

People should of given it more of a chance, although I'm hoping that the AU fixes some fundemental flaws like the poor aiming.Surely thats gonna take more than an auto update to fix? :hmm:

[Soi]

'Boris is right though -PDZ would be really good if they sorted out the aiming. The rest of the game is really quite good. The Co-op is amazing.

[chopemon]

in the updates thread Garny says that a demo for lost planet is due on may 9th. is this true or a cruel joke?

[Akira]

Apparently it's true.At the end of the new trailer it states

"May 2nd Themed Wallpapers Available"

"May 9th Playable Demo Available"

[Brats]

Surely everyone who wants PDZ has played it already?

Probably not. With the replenishment of stocks, the 360 is selling more now than it did since launch and yet PDZ is not in the top ten. This means there are loads of people buying 360s who are ignoring PDZ. Some might with good reason, but a free demo might convince some of those recent buyers.

Regarding the state of the marketplace, I believe a lot of gamers are being very unfair. You can't expect developers to start developing for an unproven concept from scratch. Now that marketplace has shown itself to work, more and developers are showing interest and developing games, but these things take time.

The fact that we have 20 games on the arcade and numerous game updates in the first four and a bit months of release is very good. On the original XBox, it took much longer than that for content on PGR2 and Halo 2 to appear.

[Yoshimax]

in the updates thread Garny says that a demo for lost planet is due on may 9th. is this true or a cruel joke?
But is that UK or do I need a foreign profile to get it ?

[Yoshimax]

'Boris is right though -PDZ would be really good if they sorted out the aiming. The rest of the game is really quite good. The Co-op is amazing.
I still maintain (particularly now it's fixed) that COD2 is the finest online FPS experience on 360. Battlefield is a different kind of game so I'm not using it in comparison but PD0/FarCry et al can't hold a candle to it - Pure, snappy FPS gaming goodness 8)

[chopemon]

Apparently it's true.At the end of the new trailer it states

"May 2nd Themed Wallpapers Available"

"May 9th Playable Demo Available"
holy crap

lost planet is one of my most anticipated games for this year http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/happy.gif

[Ajay1986]

Damn right it looks stunning cant wait to get chance to play it, i just pray its not a demo of a build with any framerate probs or anything like that.

[Space Monkey]

Not sure if anyone will be interested but I just noticed on the Amped demo if you take the hangglider up to the top of the mountain and crash or switch back to snowboard you then have access to the whole mountain including the 2 previously locked areas.

[Garny]

But is that UK or do I need a foreign profile to get it ?
My guess is that it will be out the same time for the US and Europe (like the Fight Night demo)

I bet Live will be full of E3 demos and vids in a couple of weeks.:)

[angelx]

The new Kameo demo gives you a few minutes in different levels, so not much fun at all, not time to explore. you are rushed through it without a real taste for the game, shame as I may have got it if I'd had the chance to play it properly. At 1 gb its crazy too.

[PeteJ]

holy crap

lost planet is one of my most anticipated games for this year http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/happy.gifSuperb :)

I hope soooooo much that Microsoft take advantage of all them demos being shown at E3. The show is completely a consumer event now thanks to the interent - go one better and let us play!

[MJ]

I hope soooooo much that Microsoft take advantage of all them demos being shown at E3. The show is completely a consumer event now thanks to the interent - go one better and let us play!

I can't find the source, but have a read:

Xbox Live Marketplace is the environment that brings Xbox Live Arcade into the home. Besides being home to the newest trailers, demos, game content downloads, and more, it will also play host to some of the hottest downloads from E3 2006. "It is our goal to bring E3 home to Xbox Live members as best we can, all the videos and the news as quickly as possible," vowed Peter. "We will give you the flavor of what's going on, on the show floor and some of the stuff that we are showing and debuting here."

E3 will be a real test for Xbox Live because everyone will be tuned into their Xbox consoles and continually downloading new content. "If we can get through Halo® 2, which we did, then I think we can get through anything."

Xbox Live members should be able to play many of the demos that even the celebrities will be testing out at E3. Steven Spielberg tried out Call of Duty® 2 last year at the Microsoft booth, and Peter says he is sure Spielberg has E3 already marked on his calendar. The movie industry and the gaming industry are moving closer together as more and more games are developed based off of films.

[Garny]

Thanks for the info mate. Its now up at CVG,

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=138575

[PeteJ]

Ahh sweet.
The story came from
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/events/e32006/articles/petermooreinterview.htm

[Concept]

A real-time Halo 3 trailer for Live (or at a push, short single player demo) timed to be released to coincide with information (or the same information) at E3 would be immense from MS.

*hopes unrealistically*

[Yoshimax]

That Lost Plant Pre-E3 trailer is the absolute business - Not one I was looking forward to based on earlier videos but that one changes everything.

Got everything crossed there'll be a demo around E3 time for us to try - The vid seems to hint at it.

[PeteJ]

Next week isn't it? 5th?

[J0e Musashi]

Next week isn't it? 5th?
The 9th.

[Yoshimax]

:)

Next you'll be telling me it has live play.

[IanE]

Yeah, they confirmed there'll be a demo released on Marketplace at E3 time.

[FelixofMars]

Any idea when the PD0 fixes/new maps are avalible?

[atrus]

Anyone downloaded the music video of Over My Head by The Fray yet? Its just appeared on the marketplace.

Was quite suprised, I really like it. If anyone else likes good Piano-based rock, then give it a go!

[marcus]

What a letdown that was - nothing new that I can see at all.. at least Live is back though :)

[MartyG]

The new stuff is on xbox.com, which has had quite a few new features added.

[Fat_Bob]

Fifa world cup demo now online, if you like that kinda thing anyway.

[Yoshimax]

Can anyone advise if the FIFA or TopSpin2 demos have live play ?

[mr_sockochris]

The FIFA one doesn't. It's the usual "we'll give you one half of a 10min game then kick you back to the dashboard' deal :dry:

[angelx]

No Live play in the Top Spin 2 demo :(

[tom-nook]

The FIFA one doesn't. It's the usual "we'll give you one half of a 10min game then kick you back to the dashboard' deal :dry:5 mins was more than enough for me.

I haven't played a FIFA game for years now but had been thinking of picking this up. Can't believe just how dated & sluggish it feels in comparison to the Pro Evo/ WE11 games. Graphically it's not a stunner either and some of the player animation is pretty horrid at times.

Hats off to EA for making a playable demo available though & for allowing people to try their games out.

[Yoshimax]

LOL I had expected the new FIFA to be pish despite some protestations otherwise in the first play.

Thanks for confirming - I'll have a look at it anyway can't be as bad as RTWC can it ?

[DCX]

I read in an xbox 360 mag - that mortal kombat was avlible on the xbox market place - but i cant find it..

can any of you guys confirm / or know if it is on there or will it be coming out?

thanks

[Shakey_Jake33]

MK3 (or is it UMK3?) is coming out, but I've heard nothing of the original MK.

[Kotatsu Neko]

Just been playing the Top Spin demo. It's not bad, looks pretty and sounds excellent. Too bad it's 30fps though, you'd of thought with all that power they could have animated a tennis ball every frame...

Oh well. Guess we'll have to wait for Virtua Tennis 3.

[DCX]

MK3 (or is it UMK3?) is coming out, but I've heard nothing of the original MK.
i think is must one of the ones you have said then, at least its coming out :)
do you know by any chance?

[angelx]

Just been playing the Top Spin demo. It's not bad, looks pretty and sounds excellent. Too bad it's 30fps though, you'd of thought with all that power they could have animated a tennis ball every frame...

Oh well. Guess we'll have to wait for Virtua Tennis 3.I think it was a little bland, be ok to buy cheap I guess, and yes I can't wait for Virtua Tennis 3 http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/biggrin.gif

[mr_sockochris]

5 mins was more than enough for me.

I haven't played a FIFA game for years now but had been thinking of picking this up. Can't believe just how dated & sluggish it feels in comparison to the Pro Evo/ WE11 games. Graphically it's not a stunner either and some of the player animation is pretty horrid at times.

Hats off to EA for making a playable demo available though & for allowing people to try their games out.

Yeah, while it's the best FIFA i've played in a long time it's still far behind even PES1. And what's with that awful camera jerk EVERY TIME YOU PASS A BALL? :|

[EvilBoris]

There is an Auto Update for PDZ, can't really see any changes major differences apart from it now allows you to have bots in darkops mode!

Hurrah! This means you can play 16 player infection with yourself.

Also there are a buncha different bot personalities

DarkOps Bots. AI-controlled Bots are no longer relegated to DeathMatch games. Now they can challenge human players in any of the DarkOps multiplayer games. Just like in DeathMatch games, Bots can be used in either Live games or in offline games.

Additional AI variants for Bots. The PDZ team was not satisfied with just one version of Bot AI. Now a total of eight Bot Personalities are available. Is someone dominating everyone else in a match? Send a Judge Bot after them. Want to add chaos and confusion? Add some Feud Bots into the mix.

Vanilla = Original Bot AI.
Ghost = Invisible apart from when firing its weapon.
Judge = Attacks the player with the most kills.
Bully = Attacks the player with the least kills.
Venge = Attacks the last person that killed them.
Feud = Chooses a new random target on each spawn and hunts them down.
Prey = Picks on the player with lowest armor and health.
Random = Uses a random Bot Personality.

[DavidFallows]

There is an Auto Update for PDZ, can't really see any changes major differences apart from it now allows you to have bots in darkops mode!

Hurrah! This means you can play 16 player infection with yourself.

Also there are a buncha different bot personalities

All that should have been in from retail, as well as the remaining 80% of all other options that are missing.

Can't complain though. At least I won't be confused now when my mates want simulants in Dark-Ops.

[MJ]

What will be available on the Marketplace from E3:

Xbox Live Invites All Global Gamers to Jump In to the E3 experience

For the first time ever, Xbox brings E3 – the biggest video game event of the year – to the people, by inviting the world to engage in the full Xbox Live experience free for an entire week. From 12:01am PDT Monday May 8 –11:59pm PDT Sunday May 14, connected gamers can access the best of E3 content, including the first-ever Gears of War high-definition game trailer on Xbox Live Marketplace, the playable demo of Capcom’s Lost Planet: Extreme Condition, and Game with Fame multiplayer sessions live from the floor with celebrities like Dave Navarro (Panic Channel), Method Man and Jenny McCarthy.

During E3 week, Xbox 360 fans will be able to download game demos and trailers from the hottest E3 titles and experience them in high definition. Over 60 pieces of new downloadable content will be available to gamers this week including:

Playable game demos and/or trailers from highly anticipated titles like:
Crackdown (Microsoft Game Studios)
Dead or Alive® : Xtreme 2 (Tecmo)
The Lord of the Rings ™, The Battle for Middle Earth™ II (EA Los Angeles)
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Capcom)
Moto GP™ ’06 (THQ)
Sonic the Hedgehog™ (Sega)
Splinter Cell Double Agent ™ (Ubisoft)
Test Drive Unlimited (Atari)
Viva Piñata (Microsoft Game Studios)
Plus a flood of HD trailers from games that have yet to be announced

Call of Duty®2 – New Multiplayer Map Packs (Activision)
The release of UNO on Xbox Live Arcade
Play and Win contests with the latest Xbox 360 and Xbox Live Arcade titles
Exclusive high-definition blockbuster movie trailer downloads
Limited edition E3 Gamerpics and Themes
A Backstage Pass to see developers preparing for E3

[Bleeders]

The schedule for the week.

[MartyG]

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/promotions/bringithome/marketplace.htm

[PeteJ]

I'm going to be so pissed off if all this stuff gets removed on Sunday - my Xbox failed on the bank holiday weekend and I'm still without Xbox now. Sob.

[Mr Fujisawa]

is anyone else having trouble with the Top Spin 2 demo??? i get "this game does not run in pal-50, pelase change to pal-60" etc error message, even though im running over vga cable!! ****ign shoddy

[Yoshimax]

is anyone else having trouble with the Top Spin 2 demo??? i get "this game does not run in pal-50, pelase change to pal-60" etc error message, even though im running over vga cable!! ****ign shoddy
Old one this - connect it to a TV, go in and change the setting to PAL-60 then reconnenct the VGA. voila.

[marcus]

Heh I wonder how many people have asked the same question (me included), it should be a sticky :)

[Mr Fujisawa]

Old one this - connect it to a TV, go in and change the setting to PAL-60 then reconnenct the VGA. voila.

oh right, cheers. just mad as its never cropped up before :o

now i need to find my component cable :(

[MJ]

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/promotions/bringithome/marketplace.htm
I hope the UK gets the content too.

[Haribokart]

Test Drive demo is up! Downloading it now.. YAY!

[Fireproofradiator]

I've posted the full list of gubbins on the 'Updates' thread, but just for convenience for discussion -

Poseidon Trailer (480p Trailer)
Poseidon Trailer (720p Trailer)
Test Drive Unlimited (Demo)
NCAA 07 Football (Trailer)
NCAA 07 College Hoops (Trailer)
Battlestations: Midway (Trailer)
Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle Earth II (Trailer)
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway (Trailer)
John Woo presents: Stranglehold (Trailer)
Sonic The Hedgehog (Trailer)
Rain (Trailer)
Dancing Stage Universe (Trailer)
Bullet Witch (Trailer)

Hooray!

[Fireproofradiator]

Servers appear to be struggling a wee bit...

[Kotatsu Neko]

Sonic trailer is pretty nice but there's worrying stuff in there too... like Shadow driving round in an armoured jeep blasting stuff.

[mt50]

got the TDU demo but i can't connect to the server, tried 3times now :( offline play only for a while maybe?

[marcus]

Cant download anything now, says connection lost. Did manage to grab the TDrive demo which is quite nice.

[stormbreak]

Lost Planet demo was taken down. Guess i will have to wait until tomorrow :(

The TDU demo seemed strange...
The graphics looked a bit different to the screenshots, and the controls took a while to get used to.
I still love the free roaming :)

[Pezley]

Not sure if this belongs here.but

There is a known issue at the moment between NTL and ms live market place, the port used to download content is being throttled by NTL which is explaining alot of peoples slow speeds.

microsoft are aware of this issue and are in talks with ntl

( just been on the phone to both companies due to getting a whopping 7 kbs down on marketplace.

[glazza]

Lost Planet Demo now up with other new trailers.


G.

[Kotatsu Neko]

Just played the Lost Planet trailer. It's excellent, very slick. Reminds me of Gun Valkyrie, but without the jet packs.

[MartyG]

Uno is a bit strange, in that I don't have clue what's going on with all these special cards, doesn't seem quite my cup of tea :)

It appears to have quite a massive following, I'd never heard of it before tonight: a How To FAQ here (http://www.ehow.com/how_16919_play-uno.html)

[DUKENUKEM2UK]

any one know what demo is on live today

[MartyG]

No demos are scheduled for release today, Moto GP 2006 is tomorrow.

[HaHaUK]

MotoGP should be on either today or tomorrow.

[Yoshimax]

I've heard it's gonna be up by 5pm ? We'll know soon enough I guess.

[Yoshimax]

Nah - just a trailer today (along with others of course)

[ChrisField]

DOA Xtreme Beach Volleybal 2 Trailer, and Shadowrun Backstage up now too.

[StanBush]

Was reading the chromehounds preview on eurogamer and it says a demo is due on marketplace anytime now ? any thoughts ?

[MartyG]

Any thoughts? - now that's asking for problems, but I'll resist the urge :)

Chromehounds is a mech game isn't it? It's not a favoured genre of mine, but any additional content on market place is welcome, only really then can I give any thoughts to how the game appears to be.

[MJ]

This E3 stuff is sweet!

[Bleeders]

Moto GP demo available in Featured Downloads apparently chaps.

[ChrisField]

Wonder how many (paper) magazines are miffed at MS for making their E3 coverage not so exclusive? :)

[arcnas]

Moto GP is up for sure

[Keith]

And at nearly 900MB, it might take a while. :p

[Yoshimax]

Dload commencing - thanks for the heads up :)

[disckobox]

timeshift demo must be up soon... just seen the demo on the front of the official mag

[Yoshimax]

Aye saw Boris playing it last night - his message back to me stated it was (rough quote).

"Utter shite - Like PD0 in treacle." :D



EDIT: MotoGP at 86% woohoo ! Love getting them in the afternoon before the evening meltdown 8)

[Yoshimax]

:D :D :D

Bloody hell - watching the movie on the marketplace I thought "not much in it between that and the original 3 games".

Playing it is a whole different matter - Jesus Christ it's sweet - the lighting is incredible, the detail on the riders/bikes is incredible, the tracks are (again) incredible.

Gonna go try out the multiplayer then post something up in 1st play - anybody about for a race this afternoon ?

[Gavin]

Can't see MotoGP demo in the E3 downloads - is it hidden away somewhere?

[HaHaUK]

Can't see MotoGP demo in the E3 downloads - is it hidden away somewhere?

Its under featured downloads dude.

I got both this and Lost E21 downloading at the same time. Gonna take yoks to get done :(

[Gavin]

Its under featured downloads dude.


Shit me, I'd never noticed that section before :blink:

It's on its way now before the evening rush 8)

[bignige]

Please let the track be Mugello! The Live version bundled with the original Xbox, is one of my favourites ever. Can't play it anymore mind!

[arcnas]

Does anyone know if this demo will disappear like test drive, are the live servers only up until sunday, i asuume they are, but as its not under E3 downloads, hoping it might stay around after E3.

[HaHaUK]

Please let the track be Mugello! The Live version bundled with the original Xbox, is one of my favourites ever. Can't play it anymore mind!

Tracks are Tokyo and Mugello.

:)

[Roost]

My mate who was captain obsessed with the first 2 games getting to no.1 etc. Has played this demo and decided to just not bother, it's to similar to MGP3 and just seems like a cheap port and he ain't paying for a port are his words!

And if anyone remembers MGP1 (the best version) i've had enough of the "let's play mooooogello" hehe

[Spatial101]

According to Major N this is a full list of whats been put up today

Rainbow Six: Vegas Trailer
MotoGP Demo
Splinter Cell Behind the Scenes Video
Adidas +10 Theme
X-3 Gamer Picture Pack
Xbox Live Silver Theme
Xbox Live Gold Theme
X-3 Theme 2

[glazza]

Anyone know what demo if any is going up on market place today?

[ChrisField]

Officially no demo announced but the trailer for Saints Row should be up.

This week's schedule here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/promotions/bringithome/marketplace.htm

[glazza]

Officially no demo announced but the trailer for Saints Row should be up.

This week's schedule here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/promotions/bringithome/marketplace.htm


Thanks debug77.

[Yoshimax]

We were due a saints row demo ages ago.

Video doesn't bode well for it - nor the latest footage with the horrendous frame-rates !!!

[ChrisField]

Video doesn't bode well for it - nor the latest footage with the horrendous frame-rates !!!I think they're going for an all out authentic GTA-clone by having the same frame rates as well.

[EvilBoris]

We were due a saints row demo ages ago.

Video doesn't bode well for it - nor the latest footage with the horrendous frame-rates !!!

To be fair, it has always looked shit.

[MartyG]

http://www.xboxic.com/news/897

Looks like we're in for another dashboard update, this time it includes background downloading ( at last ) \o/

[marcus]

At long last - all the need to do is disable autoloading of games when you turn the console on and Ill be really happy.

[ChrisField]

At long last - all the need to do is disable autoloading of games when you turn the console on and Ill be really happy.That's one of my peeves too - along with if you're playing a game on XBLA and you put a disc in, it auto plays the disc and kicks you out of your XBLA game! http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/wtf.gif

[EvilBoris]

That's one of my peeves too - along with if you're playing a game on XBLA and you put a disc in, it auto plays the disc and kicks you out of your XBLA game! http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/wtf.gif

Indeed that would be quality, there are a few things like that which would be useful. We should make wishlist

[Yoshimax]

That's one of my peeves too - along with if you're playing a game on XBLA and you put a disc in, it auto plays the disc and kicks you out of your XBLA game! http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/wtf.gif
Now - I used to experience this but I popped a disc in yesterday whilst I had Hexic running and the disc span but then stopped.

So at least that's been fixed :) But yes - no autoloading from the dash would be a nice option.

And background downloading - thank Christ for that.

[Brats]

One of the changes I hope they implement is to make the game invite pop up look different from the 'Fat Bob is online' notification. When you're playing an intense game, it's easy to miss these and players think you're being funny with them.

I'd also like them to make it easier to change online status to 'Away' or 'Busy' and in some way make it clearer on the dash as to your status. That way, hopefully people will use it more and you won't be waiting a lobby, unwittingly inviting people that don't want to be disturbed.

[MartyG]

Yeah, I like that idea - they are very easy to miss.

I do like that you can now manage friends via xbox.com - it's so much easier just typing the names in than using the virtual keyboard that takes bloody ages.

[Sane]

I hope they'll add some compatibilty for xbox games while they're at it.

[Fat_Bob]

i am online tho :) not really since fat bob is dead new gamertag tubbbs.

[Dezm0nd]

Develoepr 3D Realms announced today that the official Prey demo will arrive June 22.

Wooooop!

[Garny]

I was hoping we would get a demo soon:D

[Myth]

With 5 levels supposedly, on and offline.

[ChrisField]

With 5 levels supposedly, on and offline.http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/blink.gif

[Myth]

Well it's 5 levels with single and multiplayer, I just assumed multiplayer is online which I gather is a sensible assumption?

[NekoFever]

Does anyone play multiplayer FPS on the same console anymore? :p

I'll be interested to try Prey. Previews sound interesting and the E3 trailer was impressive, and after the shambles that was the 360 port of Quake IV it'd be nice to be assured that it can run the Doom 3 engine at a decent clip.

[Family Fry]

Apparently there is a Rockstar Ping Pong demo coming onto live soon, they have said it will give people a glimpse of the addictiveness of the game.

[Ajay1986]

Has there been any word on a hitman demo yet as the PC demo is out tomorrow, im really intrested in the game would be nice to have a demo.

[Akira]

Apparently there is a Rockstar Ping Pong demo coming onto live soon, they have said it will give people a glimpse of the addictiveness of the game.Hope so,as i very tempted to pick this up when it comes out.

[Myth]

Yeah me too, played through every hitman so far and loved them so I'll definately be getting it but an early taster would be great.

[Daragon]

Hitman demo is now up :)

[Akira]

yay

[Rossco]

Hope so,as i very tempted to pick this up when it comes out.Its out tomorrow, I've got my copy coming from gameplay. I made a thread earlier about it this afternoon because no-one has mentioned it all here but it was deleted for some reason..!? :???:

I'll post it up again tomorrow though with impressions since I dont think many people here are buying it.

Going to get the Hitman demo now. :D

[HaHaUK]

Its out tomorrow, I've got my copy coming from gameplay. I made a thread earlier about it this afternoon because no-one has mentioned it all here but it was deleted for some reason..!? :???:

I'll post it up again tomorrow though with impressions since I dont think many people here are buying it.

Going to get the Hitman demo now. :D

Everyones excited about this game!

http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/showthread.php?t=59297

[Akira]

Its out tomorrow, I've got my copy coming from gameplay. I made a thread earlier about it this afternoon because no-one has mentioned it all here but it was deleted for some reason..!? :???:

I'll post it up again tomorrow though with impressions since I dont think many people here are buying it.

Going to get the Hitman demo now. :DYea,getting my copy from gameplay tommorow as well :happy:

[Family Fry]

Apparently the Dash update was suppose to happen 23rd may, suprise suprise though looks like its been delayed!

The information was taken from MS Knowledge Base which was there but apparently got pulled by MS said......

With the spring auto-update of the Xbox Live service scheduled for May 23, 2006, you will have access to the Active Download feature in the Xbox Live Marketplace

Each item that you download is downloaded separately in the background. This lets you continue to use the console while you download an item.

You can stream music, play DVDs or CDs, play arcade titles, and play games while you download an item from the marketplace.

If you start to play an online game, the download is automatically paused while you play the game to help prevent game lag because of network congestion. This helps you receive the best online gaming experience that the network can provide.

All downloads are associated with your profile. If a download is paused or if the download is interrupted, the download will resume the next time that you connect to Xbox Live.

You can add items to the active downloads list at any time by selecting more items from the marketplace.

Also it has been apparently said the update will also correct the option to boot when a game disc is inside the console, when switched on.
You will be able to turn this off, meaning you can switch the console on with a disc in it and it wont load the game.

[Rossco]

Everyones excited about this game!

http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/showthread.php?t=59297Me = such a mong!! http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/dry.gif



Tried downloading Hitman demo an hour or two ago but it was actually not downloading at all, my connection was sitting at 0kb/s download!!? :???: That happen to anyone else?

[HaHaUK]

Me = such a mong!! http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/dry.gif



Tried downloading Hitman demo an hour or two ago but it was actually not downloading at all, my connection was sitting at 0kb/s download!!? :???: That happen to anyone else?

Mine was working earlier, but realised theres no point since Im getting it tomorrow anyway. :lol:

[Yoshimax]

Me = such a mong!! http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/images/smilie/dry.gif



Tried downloading Hitman demo an hour or two ago but it was actually not downloading at all, my connection was sitting at 0kb/s download!!? :???: That happen to anyone else?
I sat with it downloading till about 1:30am this morning :(

cnuts.

[ChrisField]

Same here. I started it off at about 8:30 this morning, and it's still not downloaded. Weird considering I had no problems during E3. Perhaps they re-assigned all their bandwidth?

[Yoshimax]

Yep they must've done because everything absolutely flew down for me during E3 too (I seemed to be one of the lucky ones).

I reckon it's borked - Has ANYBODY managed to download the whole thing yet ?

[ChrisField]

94% here at the moment... (it is moving)

[ChrisField]

100% now. Time to play...

[watusi]

Started mine about 6:45 this morning and it was done in about half an hour! didn't have chance to try it though

[Yoshimax]

100% now. Time to play...
Update please

[ChrisField]

It's the closed down fair ground / pier training level. Seems pretty good. Nice and smooth - not sure if this is the same as the PC level?

[spagmasterswift]

Xbox Live - the gift that keeps on giving! :)

[Yoshimax]

In fookin drips & drabs it would seem - Been downloading that demo forever it feels like.

[Daragon]

Took forever for me to download it too, seemed to originally hit 50% and come up with an error stating the download couldn't be completed. Retried with it from 50% and every 5% or so onward it would come up with the same msg. This morning, got it finished after about 30 mins tho.

[EvilBoris]

Yay, auto start can be turned off with the new dash.

[Family Fry]

Some more info about the dash update here, including pics.
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6151874.html?sid=6151874

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/news/05/25/xbox_screen012.jpg

[MJ]

Some more info about the dash update here, including pics.
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6151874.html?sid=6151874
Lots of useful functions being added, along with the main ones.

[spagmasterswift]

Is there a date for this yet?

[MJ]

Is there a date for this yet?
It was supposed to be 23 May, but I don't know why it has been delayed, I've heard it's now due sometime next week.

[Yoshimax]

I want Texas Hold 'Em :(

[Spatial101]

Don't think this has been posted yet - it's a visual run through of the new features (voice over from the 1Up crew)

http://gamevideos.com/video/id/3954

[atrus]

You know what we really need - the ability to edit our games lists/achievements. I hate the fact that I have Live Arcade demos on my list showing 0 points, becuase it just looks messy - I dont' even own these games! And you can't even earn points on demos. I want to get rid of them!

Also I have PlayOnline viewer from FFXI beta - I just want it gone!

[Jebus]

You know what we really need - the ability to edit our games lists/achievements. I hate the fact that I have Live Arcade demos on my list showing 0 points, becuase it just looks messy - I dont' even own these games! And you can't even earn points on demos. I want to get rid of them!

Also I have PlayOnline viewer from FFXI beta - I just want it gone!As silly as it sounds, for me that would just about make the dashboard perfect...IF they did it. I have exactly the same "problem" as you there...bloody playonline viewer can kiss my anus.

[spagmasterswift]

Don't think this has been posted yet - it's a visual run through of the new features (voice over from the 1Up crew)

http://gamevideos.com/video/id/3954

Nice video - didn't release you can't download more than 1 thing at a time, its puts your selected downloads into a que. Also that it stops the download when you playing. I had thought they all happened in the background. Still looking forward to this a geat deal.